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jhameia:

that post of scalzi’s tweets is fueling a slow rage inside of me

watch him mull about how many followers he’s got after he links to a WOC’s callout of him (among others)

when a marginalized person is moved to call you out, expending spoons as they do so, the least you can do is thank them, not say “BUT I DIDN’T SAY THAT PLUS I DID ADMIT I COULD BE WRONG” the former sentiment is defensiveness the latter is covering your ass

NO ONE’S OBLIGED TO AGREE is a mighty fine sentiment and not innocent when it comes from a position of privilege

if you know you have privilege and you still feel the need to have a rebuttal, no matter how brief (and however much of a bone you throw to us by signal boosting us, an action which you know will draw ire our way), you probably ought to ask why.

thank you. I’ve been wanting to say something about this and not knowing how.

Also, as far as that bone he threw? I DID NOT ASK FOR IT. I don’t think any of us did. Nor did he ask if I felt safe with him doing so, or anything like that. Soooo I don’t consider it to be (even) a bone.

ENOSPOON

cope is allgone

Going to try to get offline and actually write/edit for a while but brain is fried so we’ll see how that goes I guess

takeherbacktowonderland said: Omg the bottom one!

Yeah that one’s long gone I’m afraid! And so are the irishims, it’s only these three specklebabies left, and the ridgey.

@feuervogel

Didn’t want to derail the other thread but, I’m really sorry I communicated that I thought you were insufficiently marginalized or something :( I have been there on some of the same axes and even if I *did* have a problem with what you were saying, I would never knowingly make that sort of statement. It was a timing coincidence primarily I think of different posts, but still, I’m really sorry for that hurt.

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feuervogel:

shwetanarayan:

feuervogel:

shwetanarayan:

"give it a fair shake because it’s crap anyway" is a morally cowardly position IMO.

Would it matter if he wrote an amazing story?

We’re talking about someone who strongly though implicitly called for the lynching of N.K.Jemisin here (note, there are screencaps of some of it at the link and also tithenai quotes the bit that is a specific violence-dogwhistle, proceed with caution).  So… if you’re able to judge this person’s story ‘on its merits’, what does it say about your opinion of marginalized folks’ safety in this community?

Is this about me? Am I not ~marginalized enough~? (I’m not queer enough, because I’m married to a man; I’m not disabled enough because my migraines don’t affect me every day.)

errr no? I would have responded to you if it was.

This is about the people who are making posts to that end. There are multiple people, which is why I didn’t point to one in particular.

I saw it shortly after responding to your earlier post saying that I’m curious how terrible That Story is (I hear it’s awful), so I thought perhaps it was related.

I mean, I only belong to one group he has actively expressed eliminationist rhetoric about (though I suspect he wouldn’t have anything good to say about people with disabilities, either, and I’m positive he doesn’t like atheists), so I have some privilege there, and I can say “well, I’ll read until I’m bored or disgusted, unless it’s hilarrible, in which case I’ll keep reading for great lolz.” (Also, I read really fast, so it wouldn’t take more than an hour. Novelettes top out at 15k words, right?)

I don’t require, or even suggest, that anyone else do the same. Unless they really want to.

I can take the hit for people who can’t or don’t want to. 

Argh, was it the same time? I’m sorry, I missed that reply of yours at the time, or I’d have made my post clearer. My understanding is that you were saying a different thing from what I’m talking about here - that you personally choose to read and see how bad it is.  Not that we shouldn’t be bringing up the context of “potentially violent white supremacist” because lol the story is bad anyway.

My problem is with the people who say we “should” all be “giving him a fair shake” in order to play the game right, and with how all of them (afaik) have said something on the order of “and anyway the story is bad so what’s the harm” as part of their reasoning.

And the harm is in placing fairness to known abusers over the safety of their targets.

breedabettadragon:

Hm. Yes. Good. Yes. They’re 80kT each. Exalted in 3 days. Also, yes, somehow they all managed to get violet/x/banana…. 

OMG

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feuervogel:

shwetanarayan:

"give it a fair shake because it’s crap anyway" is a morally cowardly position IMO.

Would it matter if he wrote an amazing story?

We’re talking about someone who strongly though implicitly called for the lynching of N.K.Jemisin here (note, there are screencaps of some of it at the link and also tithenai quotes the bit that is a specific violence-dogwhistle, proceed with caution).  So… if you’re able to judge this person’s story ‘on its merits’, what does it say about your opinion of marginalized folks’ safety in this community?

Is this about me? Am I not ~marginalized enough~? (I’m not queer enough, because I’m married to a man; I’m not disabled enough because my migraines don’t affect me every day.)

errr no? I would have responded to you if it was.

This is about the people who are making posts to that end. There are multiple people, which is why I didn’t point to one in particular.

dragonsales pricing post

So all these darlings, (all TG wc or coatl babies), I’m thinking I’ll put unclaimed ones up for a 250 gem autobuy, and feel free to send me a CR of around 100k treasure, or 50k if you’re new!  Sheshan #17783. 

And yeah that’s underselling the irishim ones probably but I don’t care it’s easier than worrying about specific prices :)

thenewoctuple:

shwetanarayan:

thenewoctuple:

shwetanarayan:

These three darlings are all iridescent/shimmer/crackle coatls.  Again, I haven’t yet put them up in the ah but feel free to send me an offer that you think is reasonable, and message me for discount if a) you’re a newbie and b) you’re one of the newbies I failed to give a dragon to last week. Sheshan, #17783

fire royal lemon egg-layer

sunshine violet ivory egg-layer

sunshine violet lemon egg-fertilizer

They’re all amazing! But if I were to choose just one, then the sunshine violet ivory egg-layer.

telemetrynoise #44690

OOH DID YOU JOIN FRIEND I DID NOT KNOW! NOW I GIVES YOU FREE DAGON YES* :D

* This offer only open to my friends

Ahhh! thank you so much!

:D

(I am terrible at being a friend because I almost never communicate sorry)

me too talking is hard people are scary dragons are cute

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"give it a fair shake because it’s crap anyway" is a morally cowardly position IMO.

Would it matter if he wrote an amazing story?

We’re talking about someone who strongly though implicitly called for the lynching of N.K.Jemisin here (note, there are screencaps of some of it at the link and also tithenai quotes the bit that is a specific violence-dogwhistle, proceed with caution).  So… if you’re able to judge this person’s story ‘on its merits’, what does it say about your opinion of marginalized folks’ safety in this community?